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Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5627	Posted - 2015.04.06 15:03:00 - [1] - Quote Infantry endgame is taking and holding objectives, which wins the match. Tank endgame is attacking other tanks, while running away from AV. In the case of no AV or enemy tanks, it's shooting at infantry who are not concealed within the loving embrace of a structure, which almost every objective is. So why even field them most of the time? i mean yea, if I feel like being a selfish **** its fun to pull them out and during very specific moments, yea they can have an impact on an infantry engagement (such as bridge map outside pushes). But these moments are few and far between. In pubs, tanks just drive in circles like landsharks attempting to kill anyone who was silly enough to wander outdoors for extended periods of time. And most of the time those people were accomplishing nothing anyway, so you dedicated a player slot to killing someone who was probably worthless. In PC's, tanks nullify other tanks or end up getting used to kill enemy ADS, which could also have been done by a forge. For the pricetag associated with tank you are given power, which is fun for a selfish solo'ists pub mentality but it only applies to outdoor areas and only contributes to actually winning in very situational circumstances. So here's my question. Why can't tanks affect the match in a meaningful way the same way that infantry can? If infantry can hack null cannons, why can't tanks disable them through brute force? Why don't we have turret variants that can damage the MCC directly, making it a viable strategy to press for vehicle superiority instead of infantry superiority? Why call this a dynamic battlefield when the conditions for winning is always a two dimensional tug of war between hacking points and meat grinding clones? Usually banned for being too awesome.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5627	Posted - 2015.04.06 15:13:00 - [2] - Quote Tanks can't even hack points how the hell are they OP? Sit inside building with objective, watch as tank does nothing. That's the extent of their usefulness in most fights. Unless the tank gets super aggressive and starts wedging himself in really silly places to try to shoot around corners, they can't do much at all. If thats the extent of their intended design we have a problem. To make this clear I'm asking for tanks to be doing something other than infantry thumping, which I assume is your problem with them. If they have a legitimate role outside of infantry thumping, they don't really have to be so good at it now do they? Usually banned for being too awesome.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5627	Posted - 2015.04.06 15:18:00 - [3] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Tanks can't even hack points how the hell are they OP? Every game mode can be won by reducing the enemy clone count to zero. HAVs are pretty much a-goddamn-mazing at the wholesale genocide of infantry. Who needs to hack an objective when you can routinely go 25+/0? Tanks aren't killing any target inside a building. Objectives are typically inside buildings. If people are stupid thats another issue, but in competitive matches a tank will accomplish nothing on any large socket with one exception being 3 point cargo hub as they can affect B. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5627	Posted - 2015.04.06 15:24:00 - [4] - Quote Unless the force they are multiplying can enter a building, they are multiplying by zero and are worthless. You know whats funny? Those AV infantry can hack a point. That makes them better. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5627	Posted - 2015.04.06 15:28:00 - [5] - Quote I've been in hundreds of PC's and I've never once watched a tank hack a point, or been in a situation where an equal number of AV couldn't have defeated on an equal number of tanks. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5627	Posted - 2015.04.06 15:33:00 - [6] - Quote And anti-infantry infantry are vulnerable to tanks. But the difference here is that AV can kill tanks and shoot back at infantry, even if less effectively. Anti-infantry infantry can't do anything to tanks. And tanks can't do anything to objectives. You could say that AV is kind of awesome across the board, especially if you have a well rounded number of them. Can hack, can support anti-infantry, can kill vehicles... pretty awesome stuff. I recommend running them. Can't do much on their own, but then hey, they can do more than tanks. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5627	Posted - 2015.04.06 15:36:00 - [7] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I've been in hundreds of PC's and I've never once watched a tank hack a point, or been in a situation where an equal number of AV couldn't have defeated on an equal number of tanks. They don't need to hack points, they've got the dps and tank to stop infantry from hacking a point and potentially weaken the enemy by forcing them to switch to AV. It's not a matter of "Oh they killed me match over" a good tanker continually calls in tanks to prevent the enemy from winning it won't always be effective but it will NEVER be worthless. A tank has way more killing potential than any dropsuit, what more do you need auto locking? Except they can't hit 90% of the points in this game. Making them worthless. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5627	Posted - 2015.04.06 15:39:00 - [8] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Tankers can step out of their vehicles and hack shit as well. Who says they can't function as infantry? I'm not asking them to function as infantry. I'm asking them to function as vehicles. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5635	Posted - 2015.04.06 15:43:00 - [9] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Tanks are already OP, and you want to buff them by making them able to disable null cannons too. o_o Tanks and turrets being able to damage MCCs was around a long time ago, but it was found to be pretty broken, as teams could win solely by controlling turrets and tanks and DPSing down the MCC, rather than bothering with objectives. Also, tanks and turrets now have realistic ranges to contend with, which prevents them from hitting something that far up. I would like to see more for tanks to do in a more artillery role, but that would need destructible map objects, so they could take down barricades and stuff. But tanks should never be self-sufficient without infantry needed to protect them from AV or hack objectives. This time I would agree with you, but I disagree all tanks are OP. Gunnlogi's get two shotted by plasma cannons and destroyed easily but madrugars are indestructible. Again, im not asking for tanks to have ridiculous stats. I'm asking for them to have a point. gustavo acosta wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Except they can't hit 90% of the points in this game. Making them worthless. No matter how you slice it 16 infantry will never be as effective as a team with 2 or more tanks because of how much more power they have, and how much dedication it will take to dispatch them . It's obvious you're not looking for discussion here especially since obvious points that everyone knows have to be pointed out to a vet so I'm leaving. Have fun believing in something that is beyond stupid, like the idiots who believe that dying in the name of religion is a great idea. Really had to find something despicable to reach out for on that last comment, eh? Usually banned for being too awesome.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5635	Posted - 2015.04.06 15:53:00 - [10] - Quote Thats just it. There's a tank? Ok, I ignore him and wait inside. What threat does he pose to me now? None. The null cannon is still shooting, why do I give a damn how long he sits out there? Usually banned for being too awesome.

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5636	Posted - 2015.04.06 16:17:00 - [11] - Quote You seem angry Gustavo. Please, tell me about your life troubles. I am your friend and I am here to help you through this difficult time. Usually banned for being too awesome.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 5642	Posted - 2015.04.06 16:43:00 - [12] - Quote Laughing at ones self, aka self degradation is a sign of desiring acceptance at any cost. But you don't have to pay that cost, Gustavo. I will love you forever and always. Tell me where it hurts. Usually banned for being too awesome.

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